FROM THE 2004 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN
George W. Bush
Remarks at the
UNITY 2004 Conference
August 6, 2004 • Washington, DC
Thank you, Ernest. Thank you for having
me. I appreciate the invitation. It's good that -- Ernest
tells me that there's nearly 10,000 members of your organization.
I congratulate you for reaching out and including a lot
of people. You represent a very important profession --
it's one that I'm quite familiar with. (Laughter.)
I appreciate the chance to -- I deal with my press corps
on a regular basis. It's a beneficial -- it's a mutual
beneficial society. See, I need them to get the message
out, and they need me to be a messenger. And we're working
hard to make sure that our relationship is cordial and
professional. And that's how I feel about coming here,
too -- to establish a cordial and professional relationship
with people who help spread the news.
You believe there ought to be diversity in the newsroom.
I understand that. You believe there ought to be diversity
on the editorial pages of America. I agree. You believe
there ought to be diversity behind the managing editor's
desk. I agree with that, too. I also believe there ought
to be diversity in the political parties in America, and
that's why I'm going to work hard to tell people my message,
to tell people what I believe. And I believe that government
should stand side by side with people and help them gain
the tools necessary to realize the American Dream -- not
just some people, but everybody.
I believe those of us who have been given the high honor
of representing the people must work to reform parts of
government that are stagnant and don't stand side by side
with people to give them the tools necessary to perform.
I believe it's more important to be a doer than a talker.
I believe it's important to say to people, judge me by
my results. And so today I want to talk about some of the
results of this administration, and then I look forward
to answering some of your questions.
First, I want to thank the board of directors of this
August organization. Thank you for having me. Thank you
for greeting me behind stage. I want to thank the sponsor
for providing the opportunity for people from all around
the globe to come here -- all around the country, to come
here to talk about important issues.
I think one -- you know, look, you can't read a newspaper
if you can't read. And so one of the most important initiatives
of this administration was to challenge the soft bigotry
of low expectations. You know what I mean by that. If you
lower the bar, guess what happens -- you get lousy results.
And that's the way it was in American public schools three-and-a-half
years ago. That's why you had kids just shuffled from grade
to grade, year to year, without learning the basics of
education. That's the way it was, because there was no
accountability. See, we weren't measuring.
If you believe that every child can learn to read and
write and add and subtract, which I believe, then you must
be willing to measure to determine whether or not the children
are learning to read and write and add and subtract. No,
here in this -- here in this capital there's a lot of focus
on funding, but very little focus on results. We increased
for funding for K through 12 by 49 percent since 2001.
We increased funding for Title I by 52 percent since 2001.
But now, in return for increased funding, we're saying
to local districts, show us whether or not a child can
read, early, before it's too late. We're measuring.
And when there are schools that aren't teaching, there's
extra help to make sure the children learn early, before
it's too late. We've raised the bar. We believe in local
control of schools, and we're insisting on accountability.
And you know what? It's beginning to work.
There is a reading gap in America. We can play like there's
not a reading gap in America, but there is. Too many of
our African American kids cannot read at grade level by
the 3rd and 4th grade, and that's not right for America.
Too many Latino youngsters can't read. And one of the reasons
why is because it's so easy to quit on a classroom full
of inner-city kids and kids whose parents maybe can't speak
English as a first language. It's easy to walk in and say,
these kids are too hard to educate, let's just move them
through. We stopped the practice in America, and the schools
are better off for it.
I'll tell you one other thing we've done, which I think
is important, is we've started the process of giving parents
more choice in schools. If your public school fails after
a period of time, you ought to be allowed to move your
child to another school. Why should a parent have their
child trapped in a school that won't change? That doesn't
make any sense to me.
Here in the District of Columbia, we've given $7,500 scholarships
to the parents of low-income children so that they can
move their kid from school to school -- to another school
if the public school is failing. I appreciate working with
the mayor of this city. See, my attitude is, if public
-- or school choice is good enough for the middle class
and the upper class, it ought to be good enough for low-income
Americans. And this is going to make a difference in Washington,
No, we're making a difference here in the public schools
of America. In a recent study of 61 urban school districts,
73 percent of African American 4th graders narrowed the
achievement gap with white students in reading. See, that's
how you -- you know how you know that? Because you measured.
Because we say, show us whether or not a child can read,
and, if not, let's correct problems early, before it's
We're making progress in this country. About 60 percent
of Hispanic 4th graders narrowed the achievement gap. So
long as there's an achievement gap, we've got more work
to do. But we're making substantial progress toward achieving
what we want to do, and that is every child reading at
grade level by the 3rd grade and remaining at grade level
throughout their entire public school career.
There's more to do. We've got to make sure our higher
education is available for everybody. We've increased the
number of students receiving Pell grants by a million since
I've been President. We've got historic levels of funding
for our black colleges. I told the Native Americans we
will see that their school systems are modernized. We spent
$1.1 billion for Indian school construction repair since
2001, more than double spending in the previous four years.
I told people we'd focus on schools, and we are. And we're
making progress in America.
You know, when I came into office we had a problem with
our economy, it was in a recession. In order to make sure
this country is hopeful and people have a better chance
to realize their dreams, we need economic growth. That's
why I cut the taxes on everybody. I didn't cut them, the
Congress cut them. I asked them to cut them. It was to
stimulate the economy. It was to help people have more
money in their pocket, so they would demand additional
goods or services.
And the economic growth is strong and it's getting stronger,
and that's good for everybody in America. I want you to
remember the tax relief and how it worked. We didn't play
favorites in the tax code. We said, if you're paying taxes
you ought to get relief. Seems to make a fair way to me
to make policy. If you're paying taxes, you're going to
have tax relief and the government ought not to pay [sic]
So everybody who paid taxes got relief. We paid special
attention to parents with children. We raised the child
credit. We provided relief for the marriage penalty. It's
an unusual tax code that penalizes marriage. Seems like
we ought to be trying to encourage marriage in America,
not penalize it. A lot of our tax relief was aimed at small
businesses. Most new jobs in America are created by small
businesses. Most small businesses pay tax at the individual
income tax level. That's just a fact. By far, the majority
of small businesses in America are what they call sole
proprietorships or sub-chapter S corporations.
Since most new jobs in America are created by small businesses
it makes sense to provide relief for small business owners.
And so when you cut the taxes on individuals, you're cutting
taxes on, by far, the vast majority of small businesses
in America. And that's good for the economy.
It's also good to encourage an ownership society. I came
to Washington aiming to help people own something. I want
there to be more owners in America. The role of government
is not to create wealth, but an environment in which the
entrepreneur can flourish. At least, that's my philosophy.
And as a result of tax relief, and a good economic environment,
there are more small minority owners -- business owners
today than ever before. More and more people are realizing
their dreams by owning their own business, and that's healthy
for this country. It's important for this country.
And there's more work to do. You've heard me talk about
tort reform. Tort reform is necessary to make sure the
business environment is such that people have the confidence
necessary to start their own business. Good trade policy
will help small businesses. We regulate a lot here in Washington,
D.C. I can't promise you whether or not any regulator has
ever read the reports that we ask small business owners
to file in Washington. I suspect they haven't. But reasonable
regulatory policy will help small business owners.
Small business owners must be able to afford health care.
That's why I strongly urge the Congress to pass association
health plans, which will allow small businesses to pool
risk across jurisdictional boundaries so they can get the
same purchasing power that big businesses have. I have
got a plan that will help all small businesses thrive in
America. When you own something, you have a vital stake
in the future of this country. Judge me on home ownership
in America. I believe it's -- I can't tell you how exciting
it is to know, more people in America can now say, welcome
to my home; I'm glad you're here to visit me in my home.
To me, those are hopeful words for our country.
I set a goal two summers ago to have 5.5 million new home
owners by the end of the decade, minority home owners by
the end of the decade. We're meeting that goal. One point
six million new minority home owners in the last two years.
You know, they talk a good game up here sometimes in Washington.
We're delivering. More minority families own their home
today than ever before in the history of the United States
of America. And that's a positive development for this
country. (Applause.) A lot of it has to do with low interest
rates. A lot of it has to do with good tax policy. A lot
of it has to do with down payment assistance, counseling
out of Housing and Urban Development. Listen, if you're
a first-time home owner and you take a look at the contract,
that fine print looks a little small; people get a little
nervous. And so we're providing counseling to help people
to understand what it means to be a first-time home buyer.
And it's paying off.
Medicare, there's been a lot of talk about Medicare here
in Washington, D.C. You might remember that issue. At every
single political campaign people said, I want to help our
seniors, I'll help our seniors. Nothing got done. We got
it done. We reformed a very important part of our health
care system by enabling seniors to have choices of their
own and providing prescription drug coverage for seniors
for the first time, in Medicare. They talk a lot up here.
I want the people of this country to remember who actually
has got the work done.
Now, let me tell you about the Medicare bill, the reform
bill. It started off first by the distribution of drug
discount cards, which provide real savings for our seniors.
Over 4 million seniors have signed up so far. Low-income
seniors get a $600 credit, as well as the discount on their
card. Next year, for the first time, there will be preventative
screenings provided for in Medicare. Medicare has never
done that before. I mean, it makes sense, doesn't it, to
say in Medicare, we want to diagnose problems early, before
they become acute, in order to save taxpayers money, and,
more importantly, in order to save lives.
In 2006, there will be a prescription drug coverage available
in Medicare for seniors, with low-income seniors getting
substantial help in the payment of -- help in their prescription
drugs. In other words, the system is better. Imagine a
system where the government would pay a $100,000 hospital
stay for heart surgery, but wouldn't pay the medicines
necessary to prevent the heart surgery from happening in
the first place. We're changing that, for the good of our
We've added community health centers all across the country.
These are primary care facilities for low-income Americans
to get help. We want people to get help in primary care
facilities, not in emergency rooms. It's one way to help
hold down costs. We provided health savings accounts, which
will be beneficial for people from all walks of life. These
are tax free health savings accounts that make sure the
patient and the doctor are the center of the decision-making
process in health care.
I'm concerned about the fact that doctors all across America
are leaving the practice of medicine. And one reason they
are is because of the frivolous lawsuits that plague the
medical profession. I think everybody ought to have their
day in court when they've got a legitimate injury, but
these frivolous lawsuits are running up the cost of medicine,
and they're making medicine harder for people to access.
We need tort reform in Washington, D.C., medical liability
reform. And I will continue to work so on behalf of the
patients and doctors of America.
Look, I understand Washington, you understand Washington.
There's a powerful group up here in the trial lawyers.
I don't think you can be pro-doctor and pro-patient and
pro-trial lawyer at the same time. I think you've got to
make your choice, and I've made my choice. (Applause.)
I believe strongly that the Justice administration ought
to enforce the civil rights laws, and we are. I'm the first
President to have banned racial profiling in federal law
enforcement. I believe that the benches ought to reflect,
as best as possible, the diversity of our country. And
I believe my administration ought to, too, and I've fulfilled
that commitment. I've got people from all walks of life
who advise me.
My Cabinet is diverse. The people who walk into the Oval
Office and say, Mr. President, you're not looking so good
today, they're diverse. (Laughter.) And I'm better off
for it. I'm better off for listening from people from different
walks of life. And our bench will be, too, if we can get
people to have a fair hearing on the floor of the United
States Senate. They need to stop playing politics with
my nominees for the sake of good justice, for the sake
of diversity and for the sake of unclogging some of these
federal courts that have got loaded dockets, because the
Senate won't approve some of my nominees.
Finally, I believe a compassionate America is one that
taps into the strength of the country. Those are the hearts
and souls of our people. I like to remind our citizens,
government can hand out money but it cannot put hope in
a person's heart. That happens when a loving soul puts
their arm around somebody in need, and says, what can I
do to help you. That's the whole crux of the faith and
community initiative -- faith-based and community initiative
that I have worked with Congress on and worked with my
administration on to spread compassion in America. Oh,
I know there's a big debate here in Washington about separation
of church and state, and I accept that debate. And I think
it's important. The church should never be the state and
the state should never be the church. No question about
But when we find effective programs that are helping to
save people's lives, the government ought to open up federal
money to those programs for competitive bidding. We ought
not to fear faith-based programs. We ought not to fear
those who are willing to love their neighbor just like
they'd like to be loved themselves.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible.)
THE PRESIDENT: Excuse me. Excuse me. I think it's very
important for the faith-based initiative to continue on,
because I know we can save America one heart, one soul,
one conscience at a time. (Applause.)
One of the most important initiatives is the drug rehabilitation
initiative I've asked Congress to work with me on. Let
me tell you how it works. They appropriated $100 million
to help those who are hooked on drugs. A lot of times the
government counseling program can work. But a lot of times
it requires a change of heart in order to change habits.
And so, therefore, a person who is desperately seeking
help will be able to take a voucher and have that voucher
redeemed at a program of his or her choice, faith-based
or not. We need to give people who need help the opportunity
to interface with those fantastic healers and helpers that
literally are saving our country one heart and one soul
at a time.
I've got a duty as your President to work as hard as I
can to secure our country. It's a duty that goes on. September
the 11th changed the world. It changed how we must look
at our internal security. There is some thinking here in
America that says, if you go on the offense against the
terrorists, you're creating more terrorists. That is a
woeful misunderstanding of the nature of the terrorist
These were the people who were training for years to bring
harm to freedom-loving people. These were the people who
took -- who gained confidence because there was no response
when they wantonly killed around the world. These are people
who you cannot negotiate with, you cannot bargain with.
And these are people that you must not hope for the best.
See, they're cold-blooded killers, they will kill you just
like that, in order to create fear and intimidation. My
most solemn duty is to protect our country. I will continue
to do so by hunting these killers down around the world
and bringing them to justice before they hurt us here at
home. (Applause.) And as we do so, we will continue to
spread freedom and peace.
I want to tell you a story about an event that took place
in the Oval Office. Seven men came to see me, from Iraq.
They had had their right hands cut off by Saddam Hussein.
You know why? Because his currency had devalued and he
needed a scapegoat. In this case, he needed seven scapegoats.
I asked one of the fellows who came in to see me, he said
-- I said, why you? And he said, well, because he happened
to have sold dinars to buy euros, I think he said, to buy
gold so he could manufacture the jewelry that he was making.
He made this transaction on -- evidently on the wrong date,
because the dictator picked him out and said you're one
of seven, and I'm cutting off your hand and burning an "X" in
your forehead. And these were the fellows that came to
They came to see me because their story was documented
and Marvin Zindler -- I don't know if there are any Houstonians
here, but you know Marvin Zindler, he's a -- yes, you know
Big Marv. (Applause.) Yes, sir, born and raised in Houston,
he knows -- he was brought up by Marvin Zindler. Big 2
News. He flew them over to Houston, and they got new hands.
And they were coming to see me in the Oval Office. And
it was a very emotional moment for all of us. A guy took
a Sharpie, folded it in his new hand, and wrote, "God
bless America," in Arabic. You see, he said, "God
bless America" because he had been liberated from
the clutches of a brutal tyrant who whimsically could cut
off a hand.
The contrast was sharp to me, about the nature of freedom,
a free society and a tyrannical society. Free societies
are peaceful societies. Free societies help people realize
their dream. Free societies are compassionate societies.
In the Oval, I told them, I said, you know, I'm glad you're
here; it's very important for you to know that a successful
President is one who realizes he's not bigger than the
office, that the office of President is always bigger than
the person, and that as we help you build a free Iraq,
the institutions must be bigger than the people, so that
never happens to you again.
While we pursue the terrorists and protect ourselves,
we must also be confident in the ideals of liberty, and
how freedom can change societies. You might remember, you
cover the news, you might remember a while back where there
was some doubt as to whether or not anybody would show
up to register to vote in Afghanistan. Expectations were
quite low as to how many people would dare take risk to
exercise their God-given right. You might remember the
incident when the Taliban pulled four women off a bus.
They saw that they had voter IDs and killed them. Since
that time, millions of people in Afghanistan have registered
to vote. I think the total now is over 8 million people
are lining up to exercise their right as a citizen to participate
in a free society.
The long-term solution to the world is to spread freedom
and liberty, and America must continue to lead. We're the
home of liberty. We believe in freedom. Deep in my soul,
I know that freedom is not America's gift to the world,
freedom is the almighty God's gift to every man and woman
in this world. And I believe the United States of America
must lead, must lead the world toward a more peaceful tomorrow
by spreading hope and liberty in places that are desperate
I want to thank you all for giving me a chance to come
today. It's my honor to be here. I look forward to answering
some questions. I'm off to shake a few hands in New Hampshire.
But what the heck, it's the season, isn't it? (Laughter.)
God bless you all. (Applause.)
Q Thank you very much, Mr. President. We appreciate you
being here this morning.
THE PRESIDENT: By the way, it's Big 13 News, not Big 2.
(Laughter.) Thank you, 11 numbers. (Laughter.) Excuse me.
Q A little addition. (Laughter.) Good morning, Mr. President.
I'm Julie Chen, with CBS News, and the Asian American Journalist
THE PRESIDENT: You've got quite a following out there.
Q It is, after all, the season, isn't it? (Laughter.)
I wanted to ask you about protecting all Americans, as
well. There are many Arab Americans and Muslims in this
country who find themselves unfairly scrutinized by law
enforcement and by society at large. Just yesterday we
had arrests in Albany, New York. Immediately afterwards,
some neighbors in the community said they feared that the
law would come for them unfairly next. We have a new book
out today that suggests perhaps we should reconsider internment
camps. How do we balance the need to pursue and detain
some individuals from not well-known communities, while
at the same time keeping innocent people from being painted
by the broad brush of suspicion?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I appreciate that. First, we don't
need intern camps. I mean, forget it. (Applause.) Right
after 9/11, I knew this was going to be an issue in our
country, that there would be people that say, there goes
a Muslim-looking person, therefore that person might be
viewed as a terrorist. I knew that was going to be a problem.
That's why I went to a mosque, to send the signal, right
after the attacks, that said, let's uphold our values.
People are innocent until judged guilty. Religious people,
people that go to mosques, you know, need to be -- Americans
need to be viewed as equally American as their neighbor,
be tolerant; let law enforcement, to the best of their
ability, determine guilt or innocence, but our fellow citizens
need to treat people with respect.
By far, most Americans in this country did that, not because
I asked them to, just because by far the vast majority
of Americans are decent people. They care about their neighbors.
I don't care where you're from or what your walk of life
is, by far the vast majority of our citizens are willing
to reach out to somebody who is different. And that needed
to be done. As a matter of fact, the anecdotal stories
of neighbors helping neighbors, across religious lines,
were heart warming.
Now in terms of the balance between running down intelligence
and bringing people to justice obviously is -- we need
to be very sensitive on that. Lackawanna, for example,
was a -- there was a cell there. And it created a lot of
nervousness in the community, because the FBI skillfully
ferreted out intelligence that indicated that these people
were in communication with terrorist networks. And I thought
they handled the case very well, but at the time there
was a lot of nervousness. People said, well, I may be next
-- but they weren't next, because it was just a focused,
targeted investigation. And, by the way, some were then
incarcerated and told their stories, and it turned out
the intelligence was accurate intelligence.
I guess my answer to your question is, is that we've always
got to make sure that people are judged innocent before
guilty, that's the best insurance policy for law enforcement
overstepping its bounds. I will also tell you, however,
that the threats we're dealing with are real, and therefore
we must do everything we can to ferret out the truth and
We cannot -- again -- it's interesting, these recent threats,
you know, they're becoming more and more enriched, as you're
finding out. There was more than one thread line -- threat
line. People are now seeing there was other reasons why
we took the action we took. When we find out intelligence
that is real that threatens people, I believe we have an
obligation, as government, to share that with people. And
imagine what would happen if we didn't share that information
with the people in those buildings, and something were
to happen; then what would you write, what would you say?
So we have a, in terms of law enforcement, we have a duty
to uphold innocence and guilt. In terms of a government,
we have the solemn duty to follow every lead we find and
share information we have with people that could be harmed.
And that's exactly what we've done, and I will continue
to do as the President.
This is a dangerous time. I wish it wasn't this way. I
wish I wasn't the war President. Who in the heck wants
to be a war President? I don't. But this is what came our
way. And this is our duty, to protect our people. It's
a solemn duty, and I'll continue doing it to the best of
Q Good morning. My name is Mark Trahant. I'm the editorial
page editor of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and a member
of the Native American Journalist Association. (Applause.)
Most school kids learn about the government in the context
of city, county, state and federal. And, of course, tribal
governments are not part of that at all. Mr. President,
you've been a governor and a President, so you have a unique
experience, looking at it from two directions. What do
you think tribal sovereignty means in the 21st century,
and how do we resolve conflicts between tribes and the
federal and the state governments?
THE PRESIDENT: Tribal sovereignty means that, it's sovereign.
You're a -- you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed
as a sovereign entity. And, therefore, the relationship
between the federal government and tribes is one between
Now, the federal government has got a responsibility on
matters like education and security to help, and health
care. And it's a solemn duty. And from this perspective,
we must continue to uphold that duty. I think that one
of the most promising areas of all is to help with economic
development. And that means helping people understand what
it means to start a business. That's why the Small Business
Administration has increased loans. It means, obviously,
encouraging capital flows. But none of that will happen
unless the education systems flourish and are strong, and
that's why I told you we've spent $1.1 billion in the reconstruction
of Native American schools. (Applause.)
Q Good morning, Mr. President, thanks for coming. I'm
Ray Suarez, a member of the National Association of Hispanic
Journalists and -- (applause) -- there's a couple of others
here, too -- and senior correspondent for The News Hour
with Jim Lehrer, on PBS.
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I recognize you. (Laughter.)
Q In one of the most closely watched cases of the 2003
term, the Supreme Court split the difference on affirmative
action, allowing Bakke to stand, but rejecting the numerical
formulas used by the University of Michigan undergraduate
schools. I'd like to hear your own view about when, and
if, race and ethnicity are admissible as factors for consideration
both in college admissions and in hiring in the workplace.
THE PRESIDENT: Yes. I agreed with the Court in saying
that we ought to reject quotas. I think quotas are discriminatory
by nature. They discriminate -- I think they discriminate
on the bottom, and I know they discriminate on the top.
And so I agreed with their assessment that a quota system
was an unfair system for all.
As you might remember, we also agreed with the finding
that -- in terms of admissions policy, race-neutral admissions
policies ought to be tried. If they don't work, to achieve
an objective which is diversification, race ought to be
a factor. I agree with that assessment. I think it's very
important for all institutions to strive for diversity,
and I believe there are ways to do so.
When I was the governor of Texas, there was concerns that
our big institutions were not -- big educational institutions
were not diversified enough. So I went to the legislature
and said, why don't we work together and say that there's
automatic admission to our universities if you finish in
the top 10 percent of your high school class, no matter
what high school you go to. And it worked. It worked because
the student bodies began to diversify at the University
of Texas, and at Texas A&M. And -- that's an inside
joke up here. (Laughter.) You're about to hear why.
I have a responsibility to work for diversity, as well,
in the administration. I've met the obligation. If you
look at my administration, it's diverse. And I'm proud
of that. Condi Rice is there because she happens to be
a very competent, smart, capable woman. She's also African
American. And she is my closest foreign policy advisor.
I see her every day. When I see Condi, I think, brilliant
person. And I'm glad she's there. Colin Powell -- he was
here yesterday, evidently. Rod Paige -- Rod Paige was the
superintendent of schools in Houston. I wanted somebody
who knew what it meant to run a school district, not a
theorist; somebody who knows what it means to challenge
the soft bigotry of low expectations. He had. He's there.
Alfonso Jackson, Elaine Chao, Norm Mineta -- Mel Martinez
was in my Cabinet. We've got a diverse Cabinet. I've got
a diverse administration. Hopefully, that sets an example
for people when it comes to hiring, including news organizations.
Q Mr. President, Roland Martin.
THE PRESIDENT: Tell them what it's about, Martin.
Q Oh, I will. Nationally syndicated columnist with Creators
Syndicate, and also the editorial consultant for the Chicago
Defender, the nation's only daily black newspaper. (Applause.)
THE PRESIDENT: Give them what --
Q I will. And representing the National Association of
Black Journalists -- (applause) -- the world's largest
minority media organization. And, the inside joke, a 1991
graduate of Texas A&M University. (Applause.) And,
Mr. President, before I ask the question, I hope you'll
give our governor, Rick Perry a call. I know you spend
a lot of time in D.C., Mr. President, but they're trying
to cap the top 10 percent in Texas, so that may have an
impact on those students going to college. (Applause.)
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, but I appreciate your recognizing
that it's working in the first place.
Q It is -- but they actually -- the percentage of white
students increased, as well. I understand.
THE PRESIDENT: See, sometimes --
Q I understand.
THE PRESIDENT: -- they talk, sometimes they deliver. (Applause.)
Q I understand. It's okay. I'm working with the A&M
president on that. I also hope that you would take a second
round of questions, from Texan-to-Texan, so we can ask
a second question. (Applause.) If you would do me that
THE PRESIDENT: All right, just ask your two questions.
Q Mr. President, you remarked -- in your remarks you said
that 8 million people in Afghanistan registered to vote,
and as you said, exercised their God-given right to vote.
THE PRESIDENT: Right.
Q That may be a right from God, but it's not guaranteed
in the U.S. Constitution. In 2000, an estimated 2 million
people -- half African American -- had their votes discounted,
from Florida to Cook County, Illinois to other cities.
(Applause.) Come on, that cuts into other questions. Are
you going to order Attorney General John Ashcroft to send
federal election monitors to Florida and other southern
states? And in this age of new constitutional amendments,
will you endorse a constitutional amendment guaranteeing
every American the right to vote in federal elections?
THE PRESIDENT: First of all, look, I can understand why
African Americans, in particular, are worried about being
able to vote, since the vote had been denied for so long
in the South, in particular. I understand that. And this
administration wants everybody to vote.
Now, I -- the best thing we did was to pass the Helping
America Vote Act with over -- I think it's $3 billion of
help to states and local governments to make sure the voting
process is fair. And it's not just the South, by the way.
The voting process needs help all over the country to make
sure that everybody's vote counts and everybody's vote
matter. I understand that. And that's why I was happy to
work with the Congress to achieve this important piece
Just don't focus on Florida. Now, I'll talk to the governor
down there to make sure it works. (Laughter.) But it's
the whole country that needs -- voter registration files
need to be updated, the machines need to work. And that's
why there's $3 billion in the budget to help, Roland. And,
obviously, everybody ought to have a vote. And what was
your other question?
Q Should we put it in --
THE PRESIDENT: The Constitution amendment?
Q Should we guarantee it in the Constitution?
THE PRESIDENT: I'll consider it. I'll consider it. And
what's your second question?
Q Well, but you said it should be guaranteed in Iraq,
why not America?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, it's not guaranteed in Iraq. People
have got to show up to vote in the first place. This is
-- the thing about democracy is people need to step up
and decide to participate in the first place. There's no
guarantees people are going to vote. They should be allowed
to vote. But the problem we have in our society is too
many people choose not to vote. And we have a duty in the
political process -- (applause) -- and you have a duty
as journalists to encourage people to register to vote,
to do their duty. I'm not saying every -- I'm saying people
are choosing. It's not guaranteed they're going to. That's
part of the problem we have in America, not enough people
do vote. And you have a duty on your radio stations, on
your TV stations to encourage people to register to vote.
I have a duty to call them out to vote. Of course, I'm
going to try to call them out to vote for me. (Laughter.)
Q All right, come back around, sir.
Q Early in your administration, you talked a good deal
about immigration reforms and possibilities there. I have
not heard you talk to that issue so much recently. I wonder
what you still think is possible, given the circumstances
that we find ourselves in today. What is doable, particularly
in the short-term?
THE PRESIDENT: Actually, I have talked about it lately.
I talked about it this winter, because I think it's necessary
that we reform our immigration laws. I believe where there's
a willing worker and a willing employer, and they can't
find work here in America, the people ought to be allowed
to be here legally to work, that's what I believe. And
I believe there ought to be a process that allows a person
to work here legally, and go home, and come back without
fear of being arrested. (Applause.)
I think there needs to be a -- first of all, this will
help bring people out of the shadows of our society. This
will help kind of legalize a system that takes place everyday,
without employers feeling like they have got to be subjected,
or employees feeling like they're going to be arrested
-- subjected to fines or arrested. And so we need to reform
our immigration laws.
Now, the issue there is whether or not people automatically
get to step in the front of the line when it comes to citizenship.
I don't think they should. I think those who have been
waiting in line to be a citizen ought to be allowed to
keep that priority in line. I think people ought to --
in this process ought to be allowed to apply for citizenship,
but I don't think they ought to be treated specially, in
relation to those who have been in line for quite a while.
And in order to solve the logjam for citizenship, Congress
has got to raise the quotas on who can become a citizen.
And I support raising the quotas on certain population
groups, like the Mexican nationals, on who can become a
The long-run solution, particularly to Mexican immigration,
is going to be to help Mexico develop a middle class. That's
why free trade is so important between our countries. That's
why we better be careful about rhetoric that begins to
unwind a free trade agreement that is making an enormous
difference in the lifestyles of people in Mexico. See,
trade, to me, is the great hope for developing nations.
That's why I was a strong supporter of AGOA, the African
Growth and Opportunity Act. It gives people a chance to
have a job that's a meaningful job, because of the trade
between the world's largest market and their countries.
NAFTA has made a big difference in lifting lives of people.
It has improved the living standard in Mexico.
Listen, people are coming to the United States to work
from Mexico because they want to make a living for their
families. And if they can't make a living for their families
at home, they'll come here to work. And, therefore, we
must work with Mexico to develop a middle class in the
long run, so people can do their duty as a parent at home.
That's what they want. And we need to change our immigration
laws. Will it get done? Probably not this year. This is
an election year -- not much gets done, except for a lot
of yelling and elbowing. But I would like to see reasonable
immigration reform come out of the Congress.
Q A few minutes ago you mentioned the -- every American
received a tax cut that's working. The most onerous tax
for many Americans, particularly on the low end of the
scale, is the payroll tax. What can be done about payroll
THE PRESIDENT: Well, obviously, I chose to provide tax
relief by income tax cuts, not by payroll taxes, and the
reason why is payroll taxes relief will affect the solvency
of Social Security. So I chose not to deal with the payroll
Q Mr. President, this week, General Tommy Franks, your
former CENTCOM commander has been on tour, talking about
his book, talking about his Iraqi experience. And he conservatively
estimated two to four more years of a large-scale American
presence in Iraq. This morning there is fresh fighting
in Najaf, Nasiriyah, Samara. What is the mission at this
point, for 140,000 American forces? And how will we know
when they're done? (Applause.)
THE PRESIDENT: The mission is for the -- their mission
is there to be a democratic Iraq, where they have elections
to elect their government. That's the mission, to help
them achieve that. And that's important. And that's necessary
work. The tactics to achieve that are, one, we help provide
security to the Allawi government as they move toward elections.
Obviously, there are people there that are still trying
to disrupt the election process. They can't stand the thought
of a free society in the midst of a part of the world that's
just desperate for freedom. These people don't like freedom.
You know why? Because it clashes with their ideology. We
actually misnamed the war on terror, it ought to be the
struggle against ideological extremists who do not believe
in free societies who happen to use terror as a weapon
to try to shake the conscience of the free world. (Laughter.)
No, that's what they do. They use terror to -- and they
use it effectively, because we've got good hearts. We're
people of conscience, they aren't. They will cut off a
person's head like that, and not even care about it. That's
why I tell you, you can't talk sense to them. Maybe some
think you can, I don't. I don't think you can negotiate
with them. Let me --
Q That two to four year projections --
THE PRESIDENT: No, let me finish. Let me finish, please,
sir. Thank you, though.
We will stay there until the job is completed and our
commanders on the ground tell us. See, I think it's very
important for those of us in the political arena to listen
to the commanders on the ground. Tommy was a great commander
on the ground, I listened to him. And now I'll listen to
General Casey as to -- and Ambassador Negroponte as to
when they think we've achieved our mission.
The second stage, by the way, Ray -- he's trying to get
me to put a timetable out there. I'm not going to do it,
see. And when the timetable is busted, they'll say, I told
you. (Laughter.) Anyway --
Q We've got to try. (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, "A" for effort.
It's still dangerous there, no question about it. The
dynamics have changed, however, because Prime Minister
Allawi is now in charge of the interim government. He's
a tough, strong guy who believes that Iraq can be free
and democratic. And that's an important step. It was --
he's willing to step up and say clearly to the Iraqi people,
let's reject this violence and terrorism that is threatening
a better way of life. He's the fellow who woke up in bed
one night in London to confront an axe-wielding thug --
thugs from Saddam Hussein that tried to hatchet him to
pieces, axe him to pieces. And so he's seen firsthand what
tyranny can do, and he's made a decision, obviously, to
take risk on behalf of a free society.
The key to success, to answer your question about when,
is how quickly the Iraqis are trained and prepared to take
action, themselves. The ultimate success of our venture
in Iraq, which is a free and democratic country, will depend
upon how quickly we can help the Iraqis defend themselves.
The will is there, and now they must have the training
and equipment to provide them what is necessary to do their
duty in a free society.
One of the biggest fears many Iraqi citizens have is that
we're not a country of our word, people don't want to take
risks. They understand that at this point in time, if a
vacuum were created, anarchy would reign, and there would
be mayhem and bloodshed. And they're fearful that the United
States will once again say something and not mean it. I
say "once again," because you might remember
at different times during Iraqi history they were -- they
believed they heard something, in terms of U.S. support,
and it didn't happen. And then there was a lot of death
as a result of unfulfilled expectations. We've got to stay
with them until they achieve the objective.
Q Mr. President, you say, "Quotas are an unfair system
for all," with regards to your opposition to affirmative
THE PRESIDENT: No, no, no, whoa, whoa. With regard to
my opposition to quota systems.
Q To quotas, okay. But I've never heard you speak against
legacy. (Applause.) Now, the President of Texas A&M,
Robert Gates, said that he would not use race in admissions,
and then he later said he would not use legacy. If you
say it's a matter of merit, and not race, shouldn't colleges
also get rid of legacy? Because that's not based upon merit,
that's based upon if my daddy or my granddaddy went to
my college. (Applause.)
THE PRESIDENT: Yes. I thought you were referring to my
Q That's why I allowed you to go ahead and bring it out.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, in my case, I had to knock on a lot
of doors to follow the old man's footsteps. (Laughter.)
No, look, if what you're saying is, is there going to be
special treatment for people -- in other words, we're going
to have a special exception for certain people in a system
that's supposed to be fair, I agree, I don't think there
ought to be.
Q So the colleges should get rid of legacy.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think so, yes. I think it ought
to be based upon merit. And I think it also ought to be
based upon -- (applause) -- and I think colleges need to
work hard for diversity. Don't get me wrong. Don't get
me wrong. You said, against affirmative action, is what
you said. You put words in my mouth. What I am for is --
Q I just read the speech, Mr. President.
THE PRESIDENT: What speech?
Q In terms of when you came out against the Michigan affirmative
action policy, and --
THE PRESIDENT: No, I said was against quotas.
Q So you support affirmative action, but not quotas.
THE PRESIDENT: I support colleges affirmatively taking
action to get more minorities in their school. (Applause.)
Q That's a long headline, Mr. President. (Laughter and
THE PRESIDENT: I support diversity, I don't support quotas.
I think quotas are wrong. I think quotas are wrong for
people, and so do a lot of people.
Q Just to be clear. You believe that colleges should not
THE PRESIDENT: I think colleges ought to use merit in
order for people to get in, and I think they ought to use
a merit system like the one I put out.
Q Thank you very much.
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all. Thanks for having me. (Applause.)